Abiding by the promises that were made – i.e. £350m / wk for the NHS, retaining access to the Single Market and staying in THE Customs Union or the promise that explicitly ruled out a No-Deal Brexit
Yes – I agree, all MPs should stick with what they promised.
Not to mention…
Jacob Rees-Mogg saying before the referendum that a second referendum would be a good idea once the terms of the deal were known, and then refusing to contemplate it afterwards.
Leave MPs promising that the deal would be easy – and then choosing a negotiating stance that made it impossible.
Leave promising that leaving would be economically beneficial when all the analyses says it will be an economic disaster.
All those Tory MPs who have stated publicly that a No-Deal would be bad for the country but who privately vote with Johnson for a No-Deal Brexit in order to keep their seats / jobs.
I don’t think it behoves either side to get to get holier than thou. If we assume, as surely we must, that MPs were informed and bright enough to take a well considered position then why: did they: a Vote for a referendum, b Promise to abide by the result, c Vote to trigger article 50, d Pretend to be in favour of negotiation whilst hamstringing any chance of a decent negotiation , and e take THREE years to get us nowhere but deep in a bloody and ill-tempered mire. It is precisely that constant obstruction of a sensible negotiation that has brought us the brink of no deal.
Roland: Unfortunately, this comment is based on a flawed understanding of what has happened.
1. Leave promised certain things.
2. Parliament i.e. MPs voted to pursue those promises.
3. Government i.e. the clique set red lines and pursued a different outcome than was promised. They didn’t get approval from MPs for this change of policy – indeed they fought to hide it from Parliamentary scrutiny.
4. When the deal was put to parliament, it was voted down because it wasn’t what was promised.
5. Government decided to ignore Parliament – which is against the principles of Parliamentary democracy. MPs have fought back.
So it is not MPs who have gone back on their word – but the Leave politicians like Johnson, Gove, Davies, Rees-Mogg etc.
I am sorry that these inconvenient truths conflict with what you would like to believe – that the referendum was a vote by 100% of the population for any Brexit regardless of shape or consequences – but it wasn’t, and all MPs are doing is attempting to hold the government to what was promised by Leave campaigns in the referendum because THAT is the democratic mandate that the government has for Brexit – not a mandate for a no-deal Brexit or one that trashes the Good Friday agreement.
The essential difference between your “facts” and mine is that my “facts” are backed up by a raft of evidence that is easily researched on Google.
Unfortunately you seem to be one of the Orwell masses who has been brainwashed by the right wing media to believe that Remainers are anti-democratic and that the arguments are just sour grapes – whereas in reality Remainers are deeply democratic and are campaigning more about the hijacking and destruction of democracy by Leave than they are about Leave itself.
In a democracy, what is promised by politicians matters deeply – delivering what was actually promised is a fundamental part of democracy, and promising one thing and then switching to something completely different is NOT democracy.
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I agree and let’s start with all the MPs who said they would abide by the result of the referendum!
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Abiding by the rules on referendum spending; and
Abiding by the promises that were made – i.e. £350m / wk for the NHS, retaining access to the Single Market and staying in THE Customs Union or the promise that explicitly ruled out a No-Deal Brexit
Yes – I agree, all MPs should stick with what they promised.
Not to mention…
Jacob Rees-Mogg saying before the referendum that a second referendum would be a good idea once the terms of the deal were known, and then refusing to contemplate it afterwards.
Leave MPs promising that the deal would be easy – and then choosing a negotiating stance that made it impossible.
Leave promising that leaving would be economically beneficial when all the analyses says it will be an economic disaster.
All those Tory MPs who have stated publicly that a No-Deal would be bad for the country but who privately vote with Johnson for a No-Deal Brexit in order to keep their seats / jobs.
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I don’t think it behoves either side to get to get holier than thou. If we assume, as surely we must, that MPs were informed and bright enough to take a well considered position then why: did they: a Vote for a referendum, b Promise to abide by the result, c Vote to trigger article 50, d Pretend to be in favour of negotiation whilst hamstringing any chance of a decent negotiation , and e take THREE years to get us nowhere but deep in a bloody and ill-tempered mire. It is precisely that constant obstruction of a sensible negotiation that has brought us the brink of no deal.
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Roland: Unfortunately, this comment is based on a flawed understanding of what has happened.
1. Leave promised certain things.
2. Parliament i.e. MPs voted to pursue those promises.
3. Government i.e. the clique set red lines and pursued a different outcome than was promised. They didn’t get approval from MPs for this change of policy – indeed they fought to hide it from Parliamentary scrutiny.
4. When the deal was put to parliament, it was voted down because it wasn’t what was promised.
5. Government decided to ignore Parliament – which is against the principles of Parliamentary democracy. MPs have fought back.
So it is not MPs who have gone back on their word – but the Leave politicians like Johnson, Gove, Davies, Rees-Mogg etc.
I am sorry that these inconvenient truths conflict with what you would like to believe – that the referendum was a vote by 100% of the population for any Brexit regardless of shape or consequences – but it wasn’t, and all MPs are doing is attempting to hold the government to what was promised by Leave campaigns in the referendum because THAT is the democratic mandate that the government has for Brexit – not a mandate for a no-deal Brexit or one that trashes the Good Friday agreement.
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We must agree that our opinions differ. I do not accept your “facts” any more than you accept mine.
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The essential difference between your “facts” and mine is that my “facts” are backed up by a raft of evidence that is easily researched on Google.
Unfortunately you seem to be one of the Orwell masses who has been brainwashed by the right wing media to believe that Remainers are anti-democratic and that the arguments are just sour grapes – whereas in reality Remainers are deeply democratic and are campaigning more about the hijacking and destruction of democracy by Leave than they are about Leave itself.
In a democracy, what is promised by politicians matters deeply – delivering what was actually promised is a fundamental part of democracy, and promising one thing and then switching to something completely different is NOT democracy.
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